Panel Discussion on Refined (“Celestial”) Perception – Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview


Published on Jun 3, 2014

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The iconography and texts of most spiritual traditions depict and describe a realm of physical existence more subtle than ordinary sensory perception reveals. The most commonly portrayed phenomena are halos in paintings of saints. But in addition to this evidence of the human “subtle body”, the traditions are abundant with paintings and stories of subtle beings such angels, gods, devas, demons, etc.

Is this mere mythology or does it suggest that subtle perception is part of spiritual development? So far, the non-dual community has not discussed this at all. The New Age community has, but often in a fanciful way that the non-dual community has, perhaps wisely, chosen to eschew. Yet many who have had abiding awakenings that non-dual traditions predict and respect discover, in time, that subtle perception begins to dawn. They begin to perceive auras, angels, devas, and the like as routinely as most of us see other human beings.

This panel discussion assembled five such people:

Francis Bennett findinggraceatthecenter.com
Harri Aalto harriaalto.com
Kristin Kirk kristinkirk.com
Ruffina Farrokh Anklesaria tsmo.org
Stan Kendz stankendz.com

All, with the exception of Ruffina, have been interviewed on BatGap. (She’ll be interviewed in August.) See alphabetical menu on right to find their interviews.

We discussed. what subtle or “celestial” perception is, its relevance to spiritual awakening, whether it is an inevitable development on the path, or a special aptitude like musical or athletic ability, the nature of our relationship with the beings which reside on subtler levels of creation. Do we and they support each other in some way? whether subtle perception should be intentionally cultivated or whether it will develop on its own if and when it is meant to. If it can be developed, what are the prerequisites to and stages of its development?

Where Does Mind End? A Radical History of Consciousness and the Awakened Self By (author) Marc Seifer, Ph.D. Foreword by Uri Geller


About Where Does Mind End?
A new comprehensive model of mind and its nearly infinite possibilities

• Recasts psychology as a vehicle not for mental health but for higher consciousness

• Shows that we have consciousness for a reason; it is humanity’s unique contribution to the cosmos

• Integrates the work of Freud, Jung, Gurdjieff, Tony Robbins, Rudolf Steiner, the Dalai Lama as well as ESP, the Kabbalah, tarot, dreams, and kundalini yoga

The culmination of 30 years of research, Where Does Mind End? takes you on an inward journey through the psyche­–exploring the highest states of consciousness; the insights and theories of ancient and modern philosophers, psychologists, and mystics; the power of dreams, chi energy, tarot, and kundalini yoga; and proof of telepathy and other facets of parapsychology–to explain the mystery of consciousness and construct a comprehensive model of mind and its nearly infinite possibilities.

Starting with the ancients and early philosophers such as Zoroaster, Aristotle, Descartes, and Leibniz, the author examines models of mind that take into account divine and teleological components, the problem and goal of self-understanding, the mind/body conundrum, and holographic paradigms. Seifer then moves to modern times to explain the full range of Freud’s psychoanalytic model of mind, exploring such ideas as the ego, superego, and id; the unconscious; creativity; and self-actualization.

Using Freud’s psychoanalytical model as framework, he reveals an overarching theory of mind and consciousness that incorporates such diverse concepts as Jung’s collective psyche; ESP; the Kabbalah; Gurdjieff’s ideas on behaviorism and the will; the philosophies of Wilhelm Reich, P. D. Ouspensky, and Nikola Tesla; the personality redevelopment strategies of Tony Robbins; and the Dalai Lama’s and Rudolf Steiner’s ideas on the highest states of consciousness. Recasting psychology as a vehicle not for mental health but for higher consciousness, he shows that by casting off the mechanical mental operation of day-to-day life, we naturally attain the self-integration to which traditional psychology has long aspired. By entering the true path to fulfillment of the soul’s will, we help the planet by transforming ourselves and raising our energy to a higher realm.


Marc J. Seifer, Ph.D., teaches psychology at Roger Williams University. He has studied under Bruno Bettelheim, Herbert Meltzer, and Stanley Krippner and is the author of several books, including Transcending the Speed of Light and the acclaimed Wizard: The Life & Times of Nikola Tesla. He lives in Saunderstown, Rhode Island.

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