Gangaji – Stop Searching for What is Next, and Discover What is Here


Published on Apr 18, 2017

Stop the search for what is next and discover what is always here.

Self-Inquiry for Painters


Published on Feb 10, 2017

A conversation about aligning the activity of painting with the understanding.

Sruti Answers – Red Cross Self-Inquiry – Finding God in Crisis


Published on Dec 12, 2016

Sruti is a spiritual teacher who writes about her spiritual awakening within an experience with an uncommon and painful illness called Interstitial Cystitis. She has been interviewed on the Buddha at the Gas Pump talk show on YouTube about her experience of spiritual awakening in the midst of intense pain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atG0z…

This ongoing and chronic condition challenged her to stay present with daily pain and to look further inward for answers. In an extreme moment of pain, in which consciousness began to fade, Sruti experienced the erasure of all that clouds over the earliest source of vision.

She watched as one by one the layers of the mind, the body and feelings disappeared before her. She asks the question: with whose vision are we seeing when the lights are going out? Has this early vision ever known anything at all?

Adyashanti on Self-Enquiry and Ramana Maharshi’s WHO AM I


Published on Dec 3, 2016

According to spiritual teacher Adyashanti we should question our sense of identity. And this enquiry on our true nature or on the question -Who am I?- should be taken seriously and with an open mind, without expecting answers. This is what Ramana Maharshi’s method invites us to do.

The Short Cut Question ‘Am I Aware?’

Published on Dec 2, 2016

A discussion about self-inquiry and the question ‘Who am I?’ versus ‘Am I aware?’

Tara Brach on Seeking What’s True (Part 3) – Within Ourselves, Beyond Our Self, With Each Other Tara Brach

Published on Nov 13, 2016

Seeking What’s True – Within Ourselves, Beyond Our Self, With Each Other – (Part 3 of 3) ~ Tara Brach (10/19/2015)

The ground of the spiritual path is realizing the nature of reality and living our lives from this awakened heart and mind. The first of this three-part series examines the process of radical self-honesty – the non-judgmental recognition of what’s going on inside us, and especially what has been outside of our conscious awareness. The second talk deepens this process with the practices of self-inquiry, looking directly into the one who is seeking truth. The third part explores the challenges and blessings of honesty in our relationships.

Audio available here: https://www.tarabrach.com/seeking-wha…

Self-Inquiry: Discovering the Non-Duality in Duality ~ Gangaji


In order to survive, our minds are hardwired to make the first distinction of me and other. That duality usually becomes our perspective on life. We project that duality on to everything. We either have something or we don’t have it. We are happy or we are sad. We are right or we are wrong. We won or we lost. All distinctions have their place, but only as transitory points of view, present for the survival of an organism. Regarding true self-realization, which is non-dual realization of self, nothing can be excluded. True non-duality also includes whatever appears to be dual. With inquiry, non-dual unity can be found in the core of all perspectives including duality.

Often on the spiritual search, we seek an experience of non-duality by transcending physical, emotional, mental and circumstantial aspects of living. Transcendence implies leaving something behind. In this meeting, Gangaji demonstrates how through self-inquiry, non-duality can be directly experienced, with no need to leave anything. When we are willing to stop rejecting, fixing or controlling our very human experiences, there is the opportunity to discover the ever present truth of non-duality: pure consciousness, pure spaciousness. Gangaji invites us to welcome all aspects of ourselves in all states and forms, even the most difficult of experiences, so that we can discover inherent fulfillment.

Who Am I?


Published on Sep 23, 2016

A discussion about the questions ‘Who am I?’ and ‘Where am I?’

Meditation: ‘Whosoever Knows Their Self Knows Their Lord’


Being aware of being aware is the highest form of meditation; being aware of being aware is the only knowledge that is not relative to the finite mind; Awareness’s knowledge of Itself is God’s knowledge of Itself.

Eckhart Tolle 2016 Teaching – Awakening Of The Universe And Yourself


Published on Sep 6, 2016

Eckhart Tolle 2016 Teaching – Awakening Of The Universe And Yourself

Mukti – Embracing Our Humanness


Published on Sep 1, 2016

http://muktisource.org – Mukti explores the power of inquiry and how it is an essential tool for self-exploration and self-knowledge. By connecting to your senses and shifting your attention to your surroundings, your energies are allowed to settle and rest. This ever-important rest provides a foundation for true exploration into your being. By exploring the very human side of life—how there can be tendencies to automatically take things personally—you have the opportunity to learn a new way of being, one filled with lightness, and depth of understanding. By taking self-interest out of the equation, you can engage more fully with the present moment and act from a place of peace. Letting judgments fall away, you are left with considerations for the larger context of being, which allows a broader sense of wholeness—a dynamic Oneness. Mukti delves into the discovery of who and what you are, and invites you to open up to the new vistas of perspectives that now lay before you. Mukti offers up the following question: What is it that we essentially are?

Video Excerpted From “Humanness and Beingness”:
http://goo.gl/jRiE8S

Quotes from this video:

“There’s a way in which the discovery of who and what we are is something that can give way to a knowing that is beyond experience, and can dramatically transform our lived experience.”

“This realm of being that is innate to who and what we are—that is not subject to the framework of ‘me’ as an experiencer.”

“What can open up, in terms of shift of experience, with the discovery of who and what we are, is a sense that there is a greater emphasis on beingness itself. With the emphasis on beingness— the sense of the someone who is the doer, the someone who is the navigator, the seeming controller, the one who would be making decisions or judgments etcetera—that sense of self has, in large part, gone very quiet, or dormant, or some would say that it is no longer present. And therefore the emphasis becomes more on this innate beingness.”

“Once that relaxation sets in more deeply and there’s more of an establishing in the sense of global listening or global sensing, then one can relax into a posture of being that feels less identified with the personal self and more a posture of being that joins this whole orchestra of life as its expressing beingness.”

Untangling Self: A Buddhist Investigation of Who We Really Are by Andrew Olendzki

Pub Date 13 Dec 2016


Andrew Olendzki brings his decades of Buddhist and psychology experience to help readers evolve to be more altruistic, contribute to a lessening of suffering, and bring about a general elevation of well-being in the world.

Drawing on Buddhist wisdom with clear eyes, Andrew Olendzki’s Untangling Self gives careful thought to what it is we are making of Buddhism today. In essays that equally probe traditional Buddhist thought and contemporary issues, this eye-opening book helps us to better see both the Buddha and ourselves. Olendzki’s writing is sophisticated and engaged, filled with memorable imagery and insight drawn from decades of study, reflection, and meditation on Buddhist teachings. Seasoned Buddhist readers and anyone interested in the intellectual heart of Buddhism will find this collection of fascinating essays rewarding. Untangling Self inspires us to see nonself, interdependence, and mindfulness as rational, real-world answers to the human condition.

Andrew Olendzki, PhD, was trained in Buddhist Studies at Lancaster University in England, as well as at Harvard and the University of Sri Lanka. He is the former executive director of both the Insight Meditation Society and the Barre Center for Buddhist Studies.

2015 Enlightenment Conference: Disillusionment as a Path to Enlightenment

Published on Feb 2, 2016

Presented by Enlightening Conversations, “Enlightenment: Idealized or Real” is the second program in a series in which psychoanalysts and Buddhist teachers speak openly and honestly about the nitty-gritty of human liberation.

In this panel, Grace Jill Schireson, Melissa Blacker, Robert Caper, Andrew Olendzki, Stuart A. Pizer, Shinzen Young, and Polly Young-Eisendrath discuss human freedom.

Andrew Olendzki – Early Buddhist Maps of the Mind

Published on Dec 5, 2014

Andrew Olendzki delivers an overview of the early Buddhist maps of the mind. Delivered at the 2013 Mind and Life Summer Research Institute. http://www.bcbsdharma.org

Deepak Chopra: How to discover your true self


Published on Jul 6, 2016

Deepak Chopra How to discover your true self

Gangaji: Who Are You?: The Path of Self-Inquiry [updated June 28, 2016]

In the search for truth, there is only one question that needs to be answered: Who am I? This inquiry into the self is the core of advaita vedanta (radical nondualism) a timeless teaching for breaking free of mental bonds and reclaiming your true identity: the Infinite that is beyond death.

On Who Are You? American-born spiritual teacher Gangaji spells out the bedrock principles of self-inquiry a cluster of no-nonsense concepts that reveal how to effortlessly step outside limited psychological conditioning and mental constructs into the freedom, expansiveness, and peace of your own true nature.

The Hidden Value of Not Knowing by Sruti

A short excerpt from the book

Maybe at first the beautiful experiences enhance our lives and cultivate a sense of joy that we believe is contained within that beauty. And the negative experiences seem to disrupt our lives and pull our attention away into fear. But the truth, behind our experience of fear and joy, is that there is something that is un-contained and never disrupted.

If we allow both the beautiful and the painful to point us back to not knowing, regardless of our circumstances, we come to see that it is the only constant in a world that swings between good and bad, up and down, right and wrong.

And so the pain served as an eraser. It came in and slowly took everything. It’s primary message is to let go. Its gift is silent fullness. It demands brevity and so points without delay to the fundamental fabric, that ground of the unknown.

When we inquire into the hidden value of the unknown, especially in a moment of great pain or great beauty we may not find an answer. We may instead experience an out-of-the-question silence that contains a profound reverence.

For true peace in the face of great pain, and for the resolution of its suffering, it is this unquestionable silence we must reveal within ourselves. It is not a tool to help better ourselves. It is not a pain killer. When the transient lights of our own lives are going out, and we no longer know anything – it is who we truly are, and we are already home.

Chronic pain can be used for spiritual self-inquiry

Sruti is a spiritual teacher who shares her experience with an uncommon and painful illness called Interstitial Cystitis. This ongoing and chronic condition challenged her to stay present with daily pain and to look further inward for answers.

In an extreme moment of pain, in which consciousness began to fade, Sruti experienced the erasure of all that clouds over the earliest source of vision. She asks the question: with whose vision are we seeing when the lights are going out? Has this early vision ever known anything at all?

Sruti finds that we can allow what is painful to become a tool to disrupt the ordinary layers of our experience. Underneath these layers we find the unconditional peace that is our constant being in each moment.

Can we investigate the source of ordinary vision – can we find the place of true seeing that is earlier that who we think we are?

When we inquire into the hidden value of the unknown, especially in a moment of great pain or great beauty we may not find an answer. We may instead experience an out-of-the-question silence that contains a profound reverence. For true peace in the face of great pain, and for the resolution of its suffering, it is this unquestionable silence we must reveal within ourselves. – Sruti

Self Enquiry: On Being You. A Journey into Truth by Michael Vincent (Author)

In stripping away the flowery language, the sugar coating so to speak, the author is aware that he is presenting Self Enquiry as the challenging Practice it is designed to be, directly, “in the raw”. But then this will take you to an important question: Who or what is being challenged? What is it within you that creates this resistance, doubt and fear? This is your first opportunity to go to the source, to step back from this anxiety and concern and see it for what it is: the many-layered mind with all its attachments continuing its game-playing in an effort to remain in control. In being prepared to swallow what seems to be a bitter pill you are taken directly to what matters: the path to Truth.

Michael Vincent

Born in 1949 I have been a painter and writer throughout my life. Inspired by nature in front of the living, vibrant landscape painting has always been a connection with our precious Earth and an act of deep meditation.I specialise in gouache and oil painting and use my work to illustrate my published articles and books.
In 2004 I was honoured to receive the Sannyasin name Tathagat from the Osho Leela Community, a name I continue to use in my work in Self Enquiry.I am a qualified Reiki Practitioner (2005, Shekinashram, Glastonbury).
A life-long interest in meditation has culminated in a deepening understanding of Self Enquiry with my first book published on this Practice in 2010. I have also published articles on SE in Kindred Spirit and Watkins Mind Body Spirit Magazines.
I live in Bridgwater, Somerset with my daughter Jennifer. From here I pursue a combined programme of creative activity and meditation taught to others through retreats and Satsang.

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Ganga Mira – Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview


Published on May 23, 2016

Also see https://batgap.com/ganga-mira/

Geneviève De Coux was born in 1947 in Namur, Belgium during her parents’ holidays. The family lived in the Belgian Congo. Geneviève and her brother enjoyed an idyllic childhood until 1960, the year of the Congo’s independence. The family emigrated to Belgium.

Their paradise was lost. Geneviève found herself in Brussels, this radical change of scenery stoked the fire of her ontological search and she found refuge in art. In 1968 during her second year at the university while studying her philosophy paper, she stumbled upon a saying of Socrates which hit her straight in the heart: “Know thyself”! Realising that this was precisely what she had always been looking for, she instantly dropped her studies and set out for India by road in search of a living Socrates or Buddha.

On reaching the Himalayan foot-hills, she led a meditative and ascetic life by the Ganges in Rishikesh, waiting to meet her master. The locals called her Mira because of her devoted renunciation. At the end of 1968, in circumstances well worthy of Indian mythology, she met a man with whom she had an awakening experience. He left the following day without Mira knowing anything about him, neither his name nor his address. The one certainty was that finally she had found her master. To give herself the best chance of seeing him again, she decided to live at the exact spot of their meeting. For eight months she waited for him and meditated under a little tree on the banks of the Ganga river.

One day, her master, H.W.L.Poonja, a disciple of Ramana Maharishi, came back for her. She became his disciple and wife and started to travel with him. In 1971, H.W.L Poonja was invited to give Satsang in Europe and Mira accompanied him. Their daughter Mukti was born in 1972 and the little family went on travelling the world. For the education of her daughter Mira returned to Belgium. In 1990, H.W.L Poonja, also called Papaji, settled permanently in Lucknow where he gave Satsang every day until he passed away in 1997.

In 1998, Mira was invited to give satsang, which she continues giving to this day all over the world. She decided to call herself Ganga. In 2004 Ganga Mira moved to Portugal. She lives near the wild ocean of the Algarve with her daughter Mukti and her grand-children, Arun and Satya, and gives satsang four times a week.

Website: http://gangamirasatsang.com

Interview conducted 5/21/2016

Enlightenment Myths: Kill the Mind – Nondual Vedanta – James Swartz


Published on May 21, 2016

You (Jiva) “create” a reaction, an interpretation to the objects presented to you.

The Jiva is not experiencing what is actually there, the Jiva always only experiences its own projections, likes and dislikes (vasanas).

That is the reason why the Jiva has such a problem. Because our vasanas distort reality. We perceive reality based on our beliefs and opinions.

The logical question is, how to get rid of those projections?
Should we just remove the world?
This is the experiential Yogic idea of getting rid of your thoughts because the world is in your mind.
Thus, if you get rid of your mind you get rid of the world!
As a consequence you are in Samadhi (blissful meditative state) all the time and happy. There are no problems if there is no world present!

The appearance of the world can temporarily be removed by Yoga
but the complete removal of mental projections is not possible without Self-Knowledge.

Once Self-Knowledge is firm, you realize that the reality of the world is just a belief.

The important question is: Who realizes once the world disappeared? Who realizes the removal of the world in Nirvikalpa Samadhi?
Who needs Self-Knowledge once you come out of Samadhi? Who are you once you come out of the meditative state? A jiva (individual)?

By removing the world, you don’t remove yourself (awareness)!
I am present without my mind (ego), I am even present without the world!

So, Yoga is good! As long as you have a teaching!

An Interview with Catherine Ingram ~ Marjolein Wolf


An Interview with Catherine Ingram
Marjolein Wolf
Koorddanser Journal (Amsterdam), October 1998

Catherine Ingram became involved in Buddhism and meditation when she was seventeen years old. Living in Cambridge, she worked as a journalist for American spiritual magazines such as Yoga Journal and East West Journal, among others; for more than twelve years. Over the course of those years, she interviewed many well-known spiritual leaders and teacher, Krishnamurti, Desmond Tutu, Thich Nhat Hanh, and the Dalai Lama, among them, with a focus on the way they manifested consciousness in the world. Some of these interviews culminated in a book entitled In the Footsteps of Gandhi. At a certain moment she felt that Buddhist practices were not working for her. After a period of what she calls “a dark night of the soul” she met the Indian guru Poonjaji. “With him there was a recognition of something I had always known but had not given its due.” It was the end of her belief in reincarnation, karma and even in enlightenment. She now has informal communities in Portland, Oregon, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, London, and a number of other cities in the U.S. and Europe. This is the second of a series of interviews with female spiritual teachers about their role in a changing society.

A growing number of female spiritual teachers are standing up these days. According to Catherine Ingram this is an expression of a new balance in which feminine principles are becoming more important. As a result, being grounded in the world replaces the old spiritual view of rejecting the world or transcending to the Absolute. Representatives of this new wave don’t go to monasteries, striving to get enlightened. They have families and careers and see God in all manifestation. Or they travel around, giving Satsang. “There is a strong feminine voice that needs to be heard–and our time seems to be the time for that.”

You have been involved with spirituality for many years now. When did your spiritual search start?

My initial motivation for searching was due to suffering. I had a miserable childhood and by the time I was seventeen years old I was searching for some kind of meaning, something that would make sense of the misery in myself and in the world. At that point I discovered Eastern philosophy and began studying on my own, since I grew up in Virginia and there were no teachers around there at the time. At a certain point I read Be Here Now, the classic book by Ram Dass. I was very much impressed with that and shortly afterwards, in 1974, I went to Naropa Institute, founded by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, where Ram Dass and many teachers of various traditions had gathered. It was here that I met my first teacher, Joseph Goldstein, teaching Vipassana Buddhist) meditation. When I first heard the Buddhist teachings I felt very much at home. And that began a training lasting many years in Buddhist meditation, and in particular, vipassana. In 1976, I helped to found a meditation center in Massachusetts, and I started to travel all around the world studying dharma and setting up retreats.

You also had a career as a journalist?

Yes, in my study of dharma there came a point when I thought.’ ‘This is all well and good for us, but how does it help anybody?’ I wanted to be around people who were manifesting their understanding about truth in the world. So I became a journalist solely to talk to those people. I settled down in Cambridge, Massachusetts and I began seeking out what you could call ‘the Gandhis of our time’. I interviewed all the great spiritual teachers I could find and specialized in consciousness and activism. I wanted to figure out how our actions in the world are reflections of our understanding. I did this work for twelve years.

Were you also still involved in Buddhism in that period?

Yes, my Buddhist study went on for almost twenty years. And for a long time I felt very proficient in the practice. But one day I realized that it was joyless. I dontt know if it was my understanding of Buddhism or what, but it was really joyless to me. When I came to that point, all the beliefs I had held for so long also fell away. The beliefs about karma, about reincarnation, even the goal of enlightenment… I realized it was just a belief, an idea that the ‘I’ is going to get something. In this belief we are still waiting for a new car, a new job… a new life–waiting for happiness. At this point I went into a very bleak, dark night of the soul, which lasted for about two years.

How did you overcome this crisis?

One day I went to satsang with a spiritual teacher named Andrew Cohen. It was the first time I heard about the Indian guru Poonjaji. A number of my friends were also going to see Poonjaji at that time. After they came back they told me about him and I could see the transformation in them. Several of them had been long time Buddhist practitioners like myself and had the same difficulties I had. So I went to see Poonjaji. And his teachings of freedom here and now and the realizing of natural awareness were just so… There was a huge readiness in me to plunge. And since then there has been a great love of non-dual teachings wherever I find them. Not only in the classical Advaita Vedanta, but also in Sufism or in Dzogchen or in Christianity. It has been a kind of love-affair with this true seeing, catalyzed by meeting Poonjaji. Between ’91 and ’94 I went three times to see him, each time for about one or two months. It was less than six months all together. But with him it didn’t matter how long you stayed. You could just go there for a week and in this week it was done.

What do you mean by ‘it was done’? You became enlightened?

Enlightenment is not a word I use. I prefer to call this a natural way of being, the most natural actually. Or just radiant presence or dear awareness, clear seeing. I don’t use the word enlightenment because the term itself is very loaded. To many people it implies a kind of Big Bang after which you are eternally in a steady state called enlightenment. While in fact the actual experience is a kind of opening in spaciousness, here and now, which allows anything to come and go, with no resistence. It is not a state, it is just relaxing into a natural ease of being. It’s already here. When people use the word enlightenment, it implies some point in time that you hop into or it happens to you and then you are there for ever more… I don’t think this is a good way of thinking about it.

Then let me put the question this way: with Poonjaji you realized your true nature?

Yes, but what I saw was a recognition of something I already knew. I just hadn’t been paying full attention to it. I hadn’t given it it’s due, it’s importance, until I met Poonjaji. 1 didn’t realize: this is IT. And then I saw it really was ~. And it became more and more IT, over time. Everybody has the potential of knowing and living in this vastness. Everyone has an awakened nature and is consciousness manifesting. It just has to do with what you are paying attention to. Some people are paying more attention to this ease of being. They are allowing their attention to rest essentially in this ease of being. Little bubbles on the screen may come by and sometimes they get a little attention, but that’s about it. While normally people are lost in the bubbles on the screen; they focus on them. That’s the difference. It is a switch of perception.

A switch in perception which usually takes place as a gradual process?

Well, it can happen totally instantaneously too. Some people recognize their true nature right away and that is where their attention rests from that moment on. But for many people it is a process of getting used to it. It is not a process of an occurring; it is a process of a consistency. It is a deepening and a slow relaxation into that recognition. I’ll tell you an experience I once had to illustrate this. A few years ago I had a dream in which my house had burnt down. In the dream I thought: ‘I’ve got to call for help’. But of course the telephone had burned. And then I went through a whole list of things, all kinds of problems being added. I realized that the insurance papers were also burnt. There was a rising panic, until I suddenly woke up from the dream. I thought: ‘Oh fine, the house is here. Now I can go and find the insurance papers…’ Have you ever had anything like this? It takes a moment to realize that the central problem is gone before you realize that all the other problems that were hanging on to it are also gone. The moment you recognize your true nature, it takes a moment to realize that all your problems were hanging on the central erroneous belief that you are somebody. When this belief is gone, all the problems are gone at the same time. To realize this is waking up fully from the dream.

How did the process of realizing your true nature develop for you?

When I first recognized this pure awareness, that nobody ever touches, which nothing ever sticks to, it was very thrilling to me. I thought that I would never again notice anything else. But the little bubbles, neuroses and all kinds of things came up again. They caught my attention for a little while. And then they fell away again and there was this spaciousness, vastness again. So on one hand I could say it has been a gradual process. But on the other hand I would say it has really gone quite quickly and continuously. And it still goes on and on.

How did this process of recognition influence your life?

It changed my life completely. Prior to that I had a lot of depression. Buddhism can be used to justify your unsatisfactoriness. So if you are depressed you might use Buddhism as a justification for seeing things clearly. For me the first and most important change when I shifted my attention from Buddhism to Poonjaji was on that field. I went from a habit of being unhappy – and having this as a spiritual perspective – to a much more happy worldview. I went from a sense of no-Self; which was emphasized in Buddhism, to a sense of all-Self. I went from a feeling of emptiness to an experience of fullness. It was a very joyous discovery. I started to feel intimately connected with everything and in love with everything. It was the end of the belief that this ‘I’ is going to get something more, in fact in this clear seeing you are already in totality. There’s only this totality that you can enjoy now. There’s no need for anything, promises of more in the future – so I didn’t need the beliefs of karma and reincarnation anymore. I saw they were just beliefs, somebody’s ideas, not different from the Christian beliefs of going to heaven. And of course this radically changes all aspects of life.

In that field I used to be a tragic-romantic. I was always chasing romance until I was about forty. But now I feel this intimacy that I used to try to get from romance in a different way. Although it sounds a bit grandiose, I would say I feel this intimacy with everything now. I tend to say I have a relationship with God, but that is too dualistic. It doesn’t feel like me and other. It is no-relationship. Basically this feeling of intimacy with everything is so richly in my life that I don’t have the need or craving for a relationship or sex anymore. I live on my own and I haven’t had sex for years. I’m not saying that I never will again, I have no idea. It is not a decision that I made. If it would happen it will be fine and beautiful. And if it doesn’t that’s okay with me as well.

When did you start to give Satsangs?

It was not through any decision on my part. After twelve years of being a journalist, I was getting tired of the writing and the editing. So I stopped this work and I didn’t know what I was going to do. Then Ram Dass invited me to give Satsang at one of his large retreats. It was in 1992. I had known him for many years by then. We had been on the dharma trail together. Starting to give Satsang was a wonderful expression of the journey. I loved it from the start. It’s wonderful to be able to share this understanding; it is a sharing of love.

Do you think you were asked to give Satsang because you are a woman?

It could be. I think this is the time of women teachers. I can see it everywhere. Especially in the west there are a lot of strong female teachers now. It seems like there is a feminine voice that needs to be heard and this seems to be the time for that. Not to say that there aren’t some wonderful male teachers, but we are moving into a balancing of the feminine principles in the world. Whereby cooperation, care taking and being grounded in this world are important. This is a change. So far there was much emphasis on spirituality being some kind of transcendence to the Absolute, floating up in the sky, rejecting the world in favour of the so-called divine. I think that worldview’s time has passed. It is a worldview which is associated with a predominantly patriarchal ways of seeing things. The whole view is a little bit anachronistic. This is the time to combine the beautiful principles of understanding with a celebration of daily life, an appreciation of the feminine.

So you don’t think – as some spiritual approaches say – that women don’t have a chance to realize their true nature…?

(Laughing loudly) It must have been said by some men! It is just a belief and it is a silly belief. Gandhi actually said that he thought women have a better chance for clear understanding because women are naturally trained to be selfless as mothers. I don’t think recognizing true nature is about gender. It is not reduced to what genitals or chromosomes we have. It is way beyond that.

I would like to believe Gandhi. It sounds like good news.

(Laughing again) Well, I don’t know… Yes, our conditioning as women is often to be more selfless. But of course a man who has been highly conditioned to be very self-centered also has true nature. And maybe that very condition wakes him up to it because being self-centered is unpleasant. And that might actually be how grace works for him.

Is there a difference in the way male and female teachers transmit their knowledge?

Each person shares in a completely unique way. I think the differences are more individual and cannot be generalized. Some women teachers share in a very masculine way. They have wonderful sharp swords. And many men come more into the feminine balance as well. Like the mystic poet Rumi for example. His poetry is an incredible feminine expression of love and celebration of every particle of dust. The general trend is that there is more of a feminine wave. But it needs to include some of the masculine too, like the yin-yang principle.

What is your unique way of teaching?

I don’t have a way to describe it. The best I can say is that I have a strong love of authenticity. I have an allergy to pretension.. I am very sensitive to it, especially in teachers. Some so called teachers I have seen have a lot of guru pretensions. I sense that sometimes there is an ambition, people want to be on a stage and find a way to do that by pretending they are a guru. It has to do with love of power and adoration. All kinds of people fall into this trap – both men and women. It is very immature. One of the things that I so appreciated about my first teacher, Joseph Goldstein was how accessible he was. He had incredible clarity and was an amazing teacher. And yet he was so regular, so accessible. He didn’t put on airs or have what is called in Zen, “the stink of purity.” He was just natural.

You said that the world is developing towards a more balanced situation. How does this come out in our practical circumstances?

What I see happening actually now is that there is a lull spectrum of expressions coming out in the people involved in these teachings. In other words, they are not only in monasteries, striving and straining to get enlightened. And they are also not going to big parties every night, dancing and taking drugs. So it is not one extreme or the other anymore. There is more balance. Many people nowadays find a way to enjoy and celebrate life without indulging themselves in a hedonistic lifestyle. I see them living in the world in a moderate way, having families and careers. And yet they have this love of a spiritual life, seeing God in all manifestation. They have a normal life, while honouring a kind of greater view that permeates everything.

Do you think the number of people interested in spirituality will increase in the future?

I don’t know. So far we are talking about a relatively small number of people who are interested in these matters. Just see how many people watched the World Cup Football and how many people come to Satsang. And when you think about the huge populations on the earth, China, the Middle East, India, Africa… even in our own countries we are talking about very tiny numbers. Who knows how it will develop? The only thing I can say is that realizing your true nature has a powerful effect in your own community. You touch someone with light and the other person touches a few others and they touch a few others… That is enough.

Do you have any ideas about your personal future?

No, none at all. In former days I used to think about my personal life all the time. (Laughing) Which was probably why I was so depressed! But now I don’t really do any future tripping anymore.

Oh, but I was just about to end this interview with some ‘world wide future tripping’? Where is humankind going?

(Smiling) Your questions are quite global. For many years my own interests focused on these global issues, until a more simple, closer to home view became more predominant. To focus on here and now is really enough. You know, I once asked Ram Dass this very question in an interview and he gave a great answer. He said: if humankind is on the way to destroy itself, then the best way to prepare for that is to quiet the mind and open the heart. And if we are facing a new world order, then the best way to prepare for that is to quiet the mind and open the heart! I would say something similar. Really I have no idea where we are headed. In the now you can look around, you can read the newspaper and see that there is a lot of suffering, a lot of madness, a lot of decisions being made that seem to effect things negatively. And at the same time you see a lot of intelligence coming through as well. Who knows how it is going to develop? We may change this earth into a big desert or we may wake up before we actually do that and make some huge and exciting changes. I think that living as a Buddha, living in wakeful consciousness is the best plan, whatever happens. Then you can celebrate in the light and you can be helpful in the darkness.

Source: Dialogues With Catherine

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